The JWs' truth can't be the truth because they have made too many changes. What was truth was actually false. So they can't be in the truth or have the truth.
jonathan dough
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The phrase "The Truth"
by lepermessiah inso, i am curious..... how many of you have a hard time getting that phrase out of your vocabulary?.
i have been conscienciously trying not to use it at all, so now when i am in a conversation with a jw, its amazing how often they use that phrase.
i look back and wonder "god, did i say that that often?
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Great Video: Why you should never talk to the police, even when you are innocent and did nothing wrong..
by Elsewhere ineven if you are innocent and did nothing wrong... do not talk to the police!.
great video!.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7nc5sgik.
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jonathan dough
The trickier issue is BEFORE you are arrested, not after your Miranda rights are read to you.
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Great Video: Why you should never talk to the police, even when you are innocent and did nothing wrong..
by Elsewhere ineven if you are innocent and did nothing wrong... do not talk to the police!.
great video!.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7nc5sgik.
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jonathan dough
In a court of law this is called speculation and is inadmissible as evidence.
I'm not sure "speculation" is the legal reason, but the point is well taken. In the USA the prosecution is prohibited from mentioning or drawing inferences from the fact that a defendant did not take the stand in His/her own defense.
http://144000.110mb.com/index.html
Under certain circumstances one's silence can amount to obstruction of justice. Feds do it all the time.
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Introducing myself
by Aeiouy inand a third continuation........meh.
however, breaking up with her had a very good affect on me.
an unexpected one.
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jonathan dough
But whatever you do, don't make the mistake of turning your back on Scripture like the ex-JW atheists and God-haters on this site have done; they are just Satan's minions and offer very little in the long run. The biggest mistake you can do is pretend that the Bible is not the word of God, and thereby do your own thing as you see fit. It's understandable that the JWs have poisoned you to the truth as represented in the Bible, but that is their version, their error, and that's based on their NWT Bible, which is no real Bible at all. If you have been in for very long, you probably have been brainwashed to believe that Christendom is the work of Satan. It's not. You probably think the Trinity is the work of the devil. It's not. You have just been mislead to believe that.
Don't turn your back on Him and deny Him. Do not be anti-Christ. Don't swing from one ridiculous extreme to another more ridiculous extreme. From the Almighty's perspective you are better off in the cult and believing in Him than denying Him. I don't need to tell you the risks involved. Plenty of good protestants and catholics out there. Some of them are preaching on the radio. -
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Jesus as "Eternal" Father?
by jonathan dough inthe jws claim that jesus is the eternal father at isaiah 9:6. but if that's true, why do they dump him after the 1,000 years?
i thought jesus intercedes forever?.
not only do the jehovahs witnesses teach that jesus christ is a mere angel (reasoning, 218) but they discard him and his services as an intermediary and helper with respect to his role as propitiation, his sacrificial death.. since sin and death are to be completely removed from earths inhabitants, this also brings to an end the need for jesus serving as a helper with the father in the sense of providing propitiation for the sins of imperfect humans.
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jonathan dough
This is false teaching, and assumes man is meant to revert back to a state of innocents and nakedness, a condition before Adam, before he partook of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and bad, when he was susceptible to death. Mankind has grown beyond that, and the gift envisioned is a new creation, where death is no more, where man cannot die and thus will be in a condition unlike what Adam and Eve enjoyed.
More importantly, the sacrificial Lamb, Jesus, is the expiation for our sins (1 John 2:1), and without his continuous eternal presence as the propitiation there can be no continued reconciliation with God. Unlike the high priest under the Law who yearly repeatedly offered animal blood sacrifice for temporary remission of sins on behalf of the people, Jesus, as high priest forever on the order of Melchizedek intercedes as high priest with the propitiation of his body forever. That this sacrificial Lamb will not be discarded is visually evident by his eternal presence on the throne. After the holy city Jerusalem comes down out of heaven in the concluding chapters of Revelation, John sees the propitiatory sacrificed Lamb on God’s throne, twice.
1 And he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, flowing out from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2 down the middle of its broad way. And on this side of the river and on that side [there were] trees of life producing twelve crops of fruit, yielding their fruits each month. And the leaves of the trees [were] for the curing of the nations. 3 And no more will there be any curse. But the throne of God and of the Lamb will be in [the city], and his slaves will render him sacred service; … (Rev. 22:1-3)
The Lamb serves eternally as the propitiatory once-sacrificed Lamb and as intercessor, legal intermediary, between God and resurrected, glorified man. If Christ were thrown out all men would lose access to Jehovah God.
21 (for there are indeed men that have become priests without a sworn oath, but there is one with an oath sworn by the One who said respecting him: “Jehovah has sworn (and he will feel no regret), ‘You are a priest forever,’”) 22 to that extent also Jesus has become the one given in pledge of a better covenant. 23 Furthermore, many had to become priests [in succession] because of being prevented by death from continuing as such, 24 but he because of continuing alive forever has his priesthood without any successors. 25 Consequently he is able also to save completely those who are approaching God through him, because he is always alive to plead (make intercession NAB, ESV) for them. (Heb. 7:21-25 NWT)
http://144000.110mb.com/144000/i-7.html#VIII
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There are ExJWs at the offices I Haunt
by SixofNine ini really screw with their heads.
most of the exjws, i move their stuff, answer their phones w/silence, push files off their desk, make very brief apparitions, hum nursery rhymes when the building is almost empty - that sort of thing.
standard fare really.
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jonathan dough
I really screw with their heads. Most of the exJWs, I move their stuff, answer their phones w/silence, push files off their desk, make very brief apparitions, hum nursery rhymes when the building is almost empty - that sort of thing. Standard fare really.
That's very mature of you.
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Examining Scripture to see if Jesus was, and is, God.
by jonathan dough ini'll start with john 14:8-10. .
scriptural support for the triune nature of god, and the gradual recognition that jesus christ, the word incarnate (john 1:1), was and is god, can be found throughout the bible.
the evidence is abundant and unfolds like a flower, foreshadowed in the old testament and revealed in the new testament.
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jonathan dough
And another reason:
The Catholic New American Bible at John 1:18 makes an emphatic declaration that the Son is God: “No one has ever seen God. The only Son, God, who is at the Father’s side, has revealed him.”
The only Son, God: while the vast majority of later textual witnesses have another reading, “the Son, the only one” or “the only Son,” the translation above follows the best and earliest manuscripts, monogenes theos, but takes the first term to mean not just “Only One,” but to include a filial relationship with the Father, as at Lk 9, 38 (“only child”) or Heb 11, 17 (“only son”) and as translated at Jn 1, 14. The Logos is thus “only Son,” and God, but not Father/God. (NAB notes 1, 18)
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Jesus as "Eternal" Father?
by jonathan dough inthe jws claim that jesus is the eternal father at isaiah 9:6. but if that's true, why do they dump him after the 1,000 years?
i thought jesus intercedes forever?.
not only do the jehovahs witnesses teach that jesus christ is a mere angel (reasoning, 218) but they discard him and his services as an intermediary and helper with respect to his role as propitiation, his sacrificial death.. since sin and death are to be completely removed from earths inhabitants, this also brings to an end the need for jesus serving as a helper with the father in the sense of providing propitiation for the sins of imperfect humans.
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jonathan dough
The JWs claim that Jesus is the Eternal Father at Isaiah 9:6. But if that's true, why do they dump Him after the 1,000 years? I thought Jesus intercedes forever?
Not only do the Jehovah’s Witnesses teach that Jesus Christ is a mere angel (Reasoning, 218) but they discard him and his services as an intermediary and helper with respect to his role as propitiation, his sacrificial death.
Since sin and death are to be completely removed from earth’s inhabitants, this also brings to an end the need for Jesus’ serving as “a helper with the Father” in the sense of providing propitiation for the sins of imperfect humans. (1Jo 2:1, 2) That brings mankind back to the original status enjoyed when the perfect man Adam was in Eden. Adam, while perfect, needed no one to stand between him and God to make propitiation. So, too, at the termination of Jesus’ Thousand Year Reign rule, earth’s inhabitants will be both in position and under responsibility to answer for their course of action before Jehovah God as the Supreme Judge, without recourse to anyone as legal intermediary, or helper. (Insight, 170)
http://144000.110mb.com/144000/i-7.html#VIII
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NOW how do you view the Future?
by theMadJW incasting aside what little you learned about god and christ- are you thrilled with the future of mankind?.
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jonathan dough
bristlecone pines with tree rings going back to before the supposed global flood,
When was the flood?
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Examining Scripture to see if Jesus was, and is, God.
by jonathan dough ini'll start with john 14:8-10. .
scriptural support for the triune nature of god, and the gradual recognition that jesus christ, the word incarnate (john 1:1), was and is god, can be found throughout the bible.
the evidence is abundant and unfolds like a flower, foreshadowed in the old testament and revealed in the new testament.
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jonathan dough
Saying Jesus is God is a lie. On Judjement Day you can ask Jesus sitting at God's right hand if he is God and then you will find your truth.
It's not a lie because you haven't the slightest clue about the nature of Christ which is hypostatic or what Christianity teaches. You're calling 2 billion Christians liars and have deluded yourself into believing some special insight into Scripture and claim a higher intellect than the great theologians who have preceded you. You need to get down off your high horse, kid, because you ain't that smart and though your heart might be in the right place, your brain never followed. Too much gas.
In the Book of Revelation Jesus can be identified as the Almighty and the “Alpha and the Omega,” titles used to identify God. Even if the Jehovah's Witnesses were correct in stating that Jesus is never specifically called the Almighty, which they claim is a title reserved for God (Reasoning, 414), that title can readily be ascribed to Jesus by logically piecing together selected verses.
For instance, both Jesus at Revelation 1:17, 18 and God as the Alpha and Omega at Revelation 22:13 are referred to as “the First and the Last.” Therefore, because Jesus and the Almighty are both “the First and the Last,“ Jesus must be the Almighty who is the Alpha and Omega.
Also, the Alpha and the Omega (God) of Revelation 1:8 is identified as the Almighty, and because Jesus is also the Alpha and the Omega, Jesus is the Almighty, a title identifying Jehovah (Yahweh) at Genesis 17:1. Jesus was, and is, God. The logical train of thought is illustrated by quoting the actual verses.
a) Jesus is the First and the Last: “Fear not, I am the First and the Last, and the living one; I died, and behold I am alive for evermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades.” (Revelation 1:17, 18)
b) The Alpha and the Omega (God) is also the First and the last: “Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense, to repay every one for what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the beginning and the end.” (Revelation 22:12, 13)
c) Therefore, Jesus must also be the Alpha and Omega, God.
d) The Alpha and the Omega is the Almighty: “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.” (Revelation 1:8)
e) Therefore, not only is Jesus the Alpha and Omega but also the Almighty, all powerful, omnipotent.